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Re: 8th Edition

Postby mace_ace » Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:54 pm

NobleSavage wrote:I'm delighted to see both challenges and "Look out, sir!" gone.


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Re: 8th Edition

Postby Thunderjaw » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:52 pm

I could see what they were trying to do with Challenges and Look Out Sir, but they really overcomplicated things for not a lot of reward. Simpler in this case is much better.
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Re: 8th Edition

Postby mace_ace » Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:51 am

tinfoil wrote:We played with the simplified power levels, at total power levels of (IIRC) 80.

One question did arise, which was, how to account for blue horror/brimstone splitting? Everything I summoned I "paid for" via my 80 points. But because the simplified system counts via units and not via models, we weren't sure how to handle the arrival of blue horrors model by model. Jack posited that the potential for splitting may be already accounted for in the power level cost, so we played it that way -- although after I ran out of models (after 4 or so pinks had split into 8 or so blues), I just stopped splitting.



Reading the Horrors datasheet now and seeing that unlike in AoS the Split rule doesn't start making a new unit of Blue Horrors, and instead adds them (and subsequently Brimstone Horrors) to the original unit. The FAQ clarified that adding models to an existing unit doesn't require points from reserves like summoning does.

TL;DR adding models to a unit is free, adding new units costs points unless a unit's rules note otherwise.
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Re: 8th Edition

Postby mace_ace » Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:20 pm

Oh Fred...
Traitor guard rules!

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Re: 8th Edition

Postby tinfoil » Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:42 pm

mace_ace wrote:Oh Fred...
Traitor guard rules!


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Re: 8th Edition

Postby NobleSavage » Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:18 pm

Which book are those dirty, heretic traitor guard rules in? Or will they be in?
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Re: 8th Edition

Postby Thunderjaw » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:26 pm

I'm assuming they're in the FW Chaos Index. They definitely are not in the normal GW ones.
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Re: 8th Edition

Postby mace_ace » Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:33 am

Yes, in the FW book.
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Re: 8th Edition

Postby Thunderjaw » Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:32 am

So... I'm beginning to think Power Levels are complete rubbish. I was interested in seeing how they work as they make list building much easier, but after building multiple lists of my own and comparing them to stuff Jon was building it seems like the PL stuff is pretty dodgy. Maybe this is because it's Index PL's and the ones in the actual codexes will be better, but we'll see...

Points, while annoying to use in the current format, seem to be much more relevant to actual power levels than power levels. :)
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Re: 8th Edition

Postby mace_ace » Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:04 pm

Yeah I'm for points all the way. PL is intended for very casual games as opposed to casual but (hopefully) balanced games between more veteran players. If you pay for what you get there's a much better chance of the game being even.
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Re: 8th Edition

Postby Thunderjaw » Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:47 pm

Well... I wouldn't go that far. I've been in tons of games of even points that were no where close matchup-wise. :)
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Re: 8th Edition

Postby NobleSavage » Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:08 pm

What does 1,850 points translate to in power levels?
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Re: 8th Edition

Postby Thunderjaw » Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:43 pm

So from all the lists Jon and I did up, it's roughly 100PL = 2000 pts. So if you're wanting an 1850 list you're looking at roughly 92PL. Keep in mind that PL seems wildly variable.

Personally, I think the PLs listed in the index are literally "close enough" level of effort and aren't really balanced correctly. I'd assume the real codex will have much more refined PLs. This is based off a ton of things I've read from playtesters and GW personnel and is an opinion and not a stated fact. It seems like the stuff that was due for early releases got a lot less attention paid to it from an Index perspective, which is logical since the lifespan of it is going to be small... so specifically Marines, Chaos, Death Guard, Grey Knights can probably be taken with a grain of salt on PLs.
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Re: 8th Edition

Postby DNA » Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:08 pm

NobleSavage wrote:Which book are those dirty, heretic traitor guard rules in? Or will they be in?


They are in the Imperial Armour Index: Forces of the Astra Militarum (pages 80-92).
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Re: 8th Edition

Postby NobleSavage » Sun Jul 23, 2017 6:29 pm

Many thanks, Thunderjaw and DNA.
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