6th ed Chaos list comparison

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6th ed Chaos list comparison

Postby mace_ace » Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:04 pm

As an exercise I took an 1850 list I used in the last league and converted it as much as I could to the new 6th ed codex. I substituted cultists for the lesser demons and didn't add the small squad of chosen.

Before

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 HQ- Adramelechk
Demon Prince                                   110
Wings                                                   20
                                                        [b]130[/b]
Troops-Squad - Pruflas
10x Chaos Space Marines 15pts ea  150
Champion                                           15
Power Weapon                                    15
Chaos Glory Icon                                 10
Lascannon                                          20
Plasmagun                                          15
                                                     [b]225[/b]


Troops – Squad Sonneillon
10x Chaos Space Marines 15pts ea  150
Chaos Glory Icon                                 10
2x Meltas 10pts ea                               20
Aspiring Champion                               15
Power Fist                                            25
Rhino                                                   35
Extra Armor                                         15
                                                         [b]270[/b]

Elites
6x Terminators 30 pts ea                                  180
3x Powerfist 10 pts ea                                       30
2x Chainfist 15 pts ea                                          30
Terminator Champion                                          10
Lightning Claw pair                                           10
Icon of Chaos Glory                                           10
Reaper Autocannon                                          25
                                                                    [b]295[/b]

Elites
Veterans
8x Chaos Space Marines 15pts ea                         120
Chaos Glory Icon                                                         10
plasma gun                    10
Autocannon                                                         10
                                                                                 [b]150[/b]



Heavy Support- Squad Thamuz
10xHavocs 15pts ea                           150
Chaos Glory Icon                                 10
4xMissle Launchers 20pts ea                80
                                                         [b]240[/b]

Heavy Support - Geryon
Defiler                                                [b]150[/b]

Heavy Support
3xObliterators 75pts ea                          [b]225[/b]
                                                       
Summoned Units – The Ornias
14X Lesser Demons 13pts each       [b]182[/b]

Total 1850pts




After
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HQ- Adramelechk
Demon Prince                                     145
Psychic Mastery             25
Demon of Tzeentch             15
Power Armor                 20
Wings                                                  40
                                                        [b]245[/b]

Troops-Marines - Squad Pruflas
4 marines + champ            75
Power weapon            15
5 marines 5x13pts            65
Lascannon                20
Plasmagun                15
Veterans of the Long war 10x 1pt    10
CCW 9x2pts                18
                             [b]218[/b]

Troops-Marines - Squad Sonneillon
4 marines + champ            75
Power fist                25
5 marines 5x13pts            65
Meltagunx2 10pts ea            20
Rhino                     35
extra armor                 10
Veterans of the Long war 10x 1pt    10
CCW 9x2pts                18
                                         [b]258[/b]

Troops-Cultists - Squad ???
9 cultists + champ            50
10 cultists 4pts ea            40
2x heavy stubber 5pts ea        10
19xautogun 1pt ea            19
                                           [b]119[/b]

Elites
2x terminators plus champ            95
3x terminators 31pts ea            93
Lightning claws (champ) 17+5            22
3x Powerfist 7 pts ea                                       21
2x Chainfist 12 pts ea                                          24
Icon of Vengence                35
Reaper Autocannon                                          25
                                                                       [b]315[/b]

Heavy Support- Havoc Squad Thamuz
4 havocs + champ            75
Chaos Glory Icon                                10
10x Veterans of the long war 1pt e    10
4xMissle Launchers 15pts ea                60
                                                        [b]255[/b]

Heavy Support - Geryon
Defiler                                                [b]195[/b]

Heavy Support
3xObliterators 70pts ea                          [b]210[/b]

Total 1815pts

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Postby Thunderjaw » Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:44 pm

Nice comparison. It definitely looks like an overly similar points value on most stuff... definitely more expensive for somethings and cheaper for others. The Daemon Prince seems to be the biggest cost hit followed by the Defiler, but I think the killing power of at least the first one will make up for that...

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Postby mace_ace » Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:56 pm

And I think the survivability of the defiler will make up for its points increase.
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Postby Lucyth » Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:44 am

mace_ace wrote:And I think the survivability of the defiler will make up for its points increase.


I dunno about this. I keep waffling on the issue myself for my chaos list. Armor 12 is good, but all it takes is a solid lascannon shot and it's 200 points of debris. 30 points more and I can take a landraider whose only real fear is melta and lances.

I think the 4 hull points gives it an illusion of survivability. The 5+ invuln save is nice, but in my experience with DE and their 5+ invuln saves; 5+ isn't good enough to warrant the points.

But then... Crab walkers. With chest cannons. Choices, choices..
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Postby mace_ace » Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:53 am

Yes you can take a Land Raider for more points but that's a transport not a 72" pie plate. And if you do take a Land Raider you more than likely have a 300pt unit inside as well. The Defiler is a 195pt long range threat. That's apples and oranges. A better comparison would be to a Leman Russ with a battle cannon.
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Postby Lucyth » Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:04 pm

You're right. It's 200 points for a leman Russ with front armor 12 instead of 14 and a larger frame.
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Postby Brutal Legend » Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:13 pm

I still think the battlecannon is too good to pass up though. In addition to its 5+ in the open which I am understanding it has now, you can still position the defiler in cover where it could potentially get a 3+ cover save. It would have to be deep inside a fortified ruin though, but since you're supposed to take turns placing terrain, that's not impossible to get.

I still like the defiler.
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Postby afeinman » Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:16 pm

Lucyth wrote:You're right. It's 200 points for a leman Russ with front armor 12 instead of 14 and a larger frame.


Part of what makes the Defiler dangerous is that it's useful in almost all situations.

Long range fire? Got it.
Mid range fire? Plenty.
Short range fire? Sure, if you want, or just set up the charge.
Assault? Snip-snip-snip.

You're paying points for flexibility. When was the last time you saw a Russ kill things in assault?

Anyway, it used to be seriously underpriced; now I think it's *slightly* overpriced, but maybe not; will have to see how it holds up.
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